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Concerned Mother
05-28-2006, 08:33 PM
This is long so please bear with me.

My daughter is 11 years old and has many symptoms that seem as if they may be Lupus. Has anyone had experience with childhood Lupus?

My daughter had a positive ANA (1:160) with a homogenous pattern at age 6. She was tested again later that year by another doctor. Again, it tested positive but he did not give me the results (titer and pattern). She was tested again this year at age 11. It was positive. I do not know the titer (except that the doctor said it was high) but this time the pattern was speckled. Is it normal to change patterns? Is this significant in any way? SED rate and other blood work was okay. Urine had slight traces of protein, but the doctor said that it was probably OK.

Since infancy, my daughter has had all types of unexplained rashes (not diaper rashes but rashes on other parts of the body). She was hospitalized at 1 week for an unexplained fever. She had RSV type illnesses several times as an infant and toddler. At about 3 she started getting sores on the side of her mouth all the time. Because of these sores, she now has permanent scarring on the corners of her mouth. At around the same time, she started to complain about tummy aches on almost a daily basis and tingling in her toes. Later she started to complain that her legs, fingers, and even her head had the tingly feeling. She has also always had dry patches of skin on the face, parts of arms, and legs and sometimes little raised bumps with it.

Around 4 she was bit by deer ticks (a nest of them). She broke out in a rash all over the body. The rash was round, red patches all over the body. We were told it was not Lyme Disease. They did blood work to make sure and said it was negative. She was bit again later that same year with the same type of reaction, only not quite as severe.

From about that time on, she also had swollen lymph nodes on a regular basis. It has only been recently that the lymph nodes have started to go down.

She gets mouth sores, sluggish for no reason, runs unexplained low grade fevers, suffers pains in arms legs and shoulders. The pains come and go without rhyme or reason. When she has them, she may be unable to walk or use her arms. Most recently she has had pain in her right foot and ankle. The pain has been present for lmost 4 weeks now. She is unable step down with her right foot at all. The doctor thought she had a stress fracture but the XRay did not show one. He ordered an MRI, it also did not show one but it showed some thing that is consistent with a connective tissue disorder.

She has also experienced bouts where her entire body is tender and she is in excruciating pain and will not let us touch her. She says even her skin hurts.

She gets headaches a lot, dizzy spells, and sometimes complains that her chest hurts when she breathes. Her fingers and toes get so cold they turn blue and hurt. We carry hand warmers, gloves and socks in the car for her. She gets red patches on her cheeks that alomost look a little raised and they some times have white marks going throhg them like scratch marks or something. She sometimes has a rapid heartbeat and/or protruding pulse. She has suffered with urinary incontenenace for about 3 years.

She had allergy testing and tested highly allergic to everything they tested her for (including foods - fish, shell fish, soy, dairy, treenuts, and peanuts, etc.) She under went allergy shots but her symptoms seemed to get worse with the shots. The pains in her arms and legs started coming more often and lasting longer while receiving the shots. The allergist was insistent that they were not related but she actually improved when I decided to discontinue the shots. Her allergy symptoms even improved when I stopped the shots.

Sometimes these symptoms subside, but return later. Sometimes new symptoms arise.

Her pediatrician just refers us to a specialist for every thing. We've seen just about every specialist in town. The neurologist suggested Lupus and was the first to run the ANA. He really thinks it is Lupus but said it takes time to get a diagnosis. The pediatric rheumatologist said he had never treated anyone for Lupus and treated us as if we were making this stuff up. He said the pains are probably just growing pains and will go away when she gets older. Now we are with an orthopedic doctor (the second one) and he is saying he thinks it is Lupus. As an intern, he did his rounds in Rheumatology and said it looks like Lupus to him. We are waiting to see another rheumatologist.

Does this sound like Lupus? Are there other illnesses that might share these symptoms? How can I help my daughter get a firm diagnosis so she can get treatment? Is it normal for the ANA pattern to change from homogenous to speckled?

Any advice will be appreciated. I am tired of each symptom being treated individually and doctors acting like there is nothing wrong.

LWL2002
05-28-2006, 11:09 PM
style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/foryou.gif Hello Concerned Mother..Sorry to hear about your daughter being so sick..... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hugbetter.gif .....I hope things get all sorted out for you two soon! Join us in chat sometime! Laura(LWL2002) style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/flowers.gif

Lily
05-28-2006, 11:56 PM
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Hello and welcome to The Lupus Site,

I'm am so sorry your daughter is suffering what could very well be undiagnosed lupus. I can only begin to understand your anguish, frustration and her suffering through this.

I think you are right to see another Rheumatologist, and personally I think that the one who said he's never seen a case of pediatric lupus and asked if you were making all this stuff up deserves his backside kicked from here to eternity !! And several other suggestions come to mine, none of which are suitable for a public forum! What an ignorant closed minded foolish man he was style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hissy1.gif

If you let us know which area you live in then we can possibly go about helping you to find a Lupus expert Rheumatologist who will investigate this thoroughly and realise that whilst its rare that this indeed could be what your daughter is dealing with.

We have a few mothers and also patients here who can identify with what you are currently experiencing. And its essential to find a doc who knows what his is doing and who will determine a diagnosis and start treatment on your daughter.

Let us try and help you with that. In the meantime stay strong, with the right doc then this will be sorted out and you have our full support and knowing nods with just what you are going through style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/foryou.gif

I'll transfer this post to our pediatric forum, because some of the other mothers will see it there and have plenty to add I'm sure.

love
Lily

oesa
05-29-2006, 04:18 AM
Hi Concerned Mother -I 'm sorry your daugher is sick. I thought you might appreciate hearing from an adult who was diagnosed as a child (14).

My diagnosis took about 8 months from the onset of my symptoms. I started off with a very sore calf (couldn't flex my foot) which was chalked up to a dance injury. It didn't go away, and I started my "tour" of specialists as my symptoms mounted. I lost weight, develped swollen and sore joints, mouth sores, excessive tiredness. I eventually developed the classic butterfly rash, and was diagnosed pretty quickly (confirmed by skin biopsy) once that happened.

It was frustrating and scary. My mom took me to endless specialists; in the beginning my dad told me to "stop feeling sorry for yourself." That changed once I had visible symptoms, but it certainly didn't help the situation. I'm in remission now, and had a long period of remission during my senior years of high school and university.

Pediatric lupus is relatively rare, and it can take a while to sort it out from other more common pediatric illnesses with similar symptoms like juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. Be patient and hang in there - at least you are seeing specialists, so your pediatrician recognizes that something isn't right, and is trying to help you figure it out. My mom kept notes of my test results and symptoms, so that she could remember the details, which helped eventually put the pieces together. I know the specialist rounds are frustrating, but it is important to rule out all of the other possibilities so that your daughter gets the right treatment. The referreal to another rheumatologist is a good next step. Make sure you bring copies of all your daughter's test results to your appointment.

I hope you find some answers soon, and that your daughter gets some help. Welcome to the boards, and feel free to ask any and all questions - you can email me (address is in my profile) if you'd like as well.

Take care,

Lisa

lullrich76
05-30-2006, 07:41 PM
Hi and Welcome!

I can also relate to what you are going through. When I was 11, I was told growing pains many times and that it is common in children my age and that I would outgrow it. I am 30 now and just last October I was diagnosed with UCTD and put on plaquenil. I hope you find some answers and treatment for your daughter. I know how frustrating it can be.

Mariposa
05-31-2006, 02:32 AM
<span style="color:#CC66CC">From one mother to another, I send you bear hugs for you and your daughter. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hugbetter.gif </span>

Nell
06-04-2006, 06:49 AM
Concerned Mother,

My daughter who is now 7 has been having symptoms very similar to your daughter's. Like your daughter some of this began in infancy/toddlerhood and then at almost 5, after a bout of Fifth's disease, new things began happening that alerted me to the possibility of SLE (stiffness, extreme photosensitivity, rashes, acute episodes of pain and lung infections with fevers over 104). I have been utterly unsuccessful in finding a doctor who will talk with me about any of this other than to say that she's fine, as her bloodwork hasn't shown anything of note yet, aside from high sed rates on a few occassions. Her c3 and c4 were also slightly off on one occassion but the Dr. said it wasn't enough to be significant. If you are interested in knowing more about her symptoms I posted last May in this form and my name is Nell.


I'm hopeful for you that you are getting on to some good Drs. The neuro and the orthopedic specialist sound like they are taking things seriously. My understanding from other parents is that you MAY not want a dx of SLE as it can cause problems with insurance and possibly employment later. I know that some rheumatologists will say "this is probably Lupus" and will monitor things and treat symptoms without giving a firm dx. Just something to consider. I would encourage you to keep going with the Rheumatologists until you find someone whose opinion you trust. The book It's Not Just Growing Pains which is a guide to rheumatic diseases in children (with a longish chapter on SLE) can help you determine what a proper investigation should involve. Clare pinned info. on it at the top of this form. I plan to take my daughter to Dr. Lehman, who wrote the book, in the fall. I point blank don't trust the opinions of the three Pediatric Rhematologists we have seen thus far. It has been so difficult dealing with all of them and if it were not for the information I have gathered through reading and listenting to the stories of other's I don't think I would have the courage to continue to listen to myself.

I imagine your daughter is very careful about the sun? It's imperative. I'm wondering if your daughter has been seen by a dermatologist for her rashes? It seems many people end up being dx through skin biopsies. It would be great if you could find a good derm. who would see her at short notice so they could see her rashes.

I hope you will post again and let us know how things are going. My daughter really does have many of the same sx so I hope you will keep posting to let us know what happens with the second Rheum (I'm crossing my fingers). How is your daughter doing currently?

Nell

StevieM
06-13-2006, 10:01 AM
Hi Concerned Mother,

I am the mother of an 11yr old girl who has had a dx of lupus for 15months now. Over the years we have shared a lot of the problems that you have written about, the most frustrating of all was being told she was fine when as a mother you know better. If you want to read what has been going on with my daughter look for posts under Paediatric that refer to Robyn.

The best advice that I can give you at this stage is don't give up, keep taking your daughter to the GP and ask for a referal to a rheumatologist as they are the ones you need to get a proper dx of lupus. If you would like to you can always email me via the site or direct on smilner@superlative.org, I would be happy to offer any support I can.

I hope things improve for your daughter and yourself soon, keep bugging those Drs.

All the best style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/foryou.gif

Stevie

charlett
06-14-2006, 12:57 AM
Hi My name is charlett. You sistuation sounds like my daughter very much you can read back thru my past posts. We see pediatric rheumatologists in Philadelphia PA. Where do you live you need apediatric rheumy. Even thought they are almost sure it is Lupus they treat her. The meds and treatment she recieves are for lupus. We have had rashes swollen joints joint pains, headaches mouth sores swollen lymph nodes postive ana and titer, but her sed rate a creactive protien are elavated. Would love to explain more you can email me and I will try to help you.

Talk with you Soon ?

Charlett