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chinese herbal medicine anyone know

Discussion in 'Complementary therapies' started by Sunshine4, Dec 20, 2009.

  1. Sunshine4

    Sunshine4 Registered

    Hi all

    I have been having some acupucture for pain relief and am having at this stage good results, my therapist would like to start me on chinese herbs to assist the movement of blood flow etc. Has anyone had any experiance with chinese medicine and acupunture at all? I would love to hear the good and the bad stories you might have. Also if you ahve tread any other alternate methods. I am very open minded and do believe we are what we eat and diet is a major part in getting some relief.

    thanks all sunshine.
  2. Trindy

    Trindy Registered

    Hi Sunshine

    I don't have any personal experience of Chinese medicine but I do have two friends one in Hong Kong and one in Singapore and when I was out there before I was diagnosed they warned me to be very wary of it. Its like medication of all kinds be it herbal or chinese or whatever I think we need to take advice from our Rheumy because you never know how one will interact with the other. I did try acupunture for my pain some time ago but it seemed to make it worse - could have been co-incidence but I decided not to have anymore.

    Seasons greetings

  3. Katharine

    Katharine Registered

    Hello Sunshine,

    I agree with Trindy. You have to be very careful with any medicine and everything has to be run by your rheumy. Some "natural" medicines can interact with what we already take while others, with their "detoxifying" properties might put too much strain on kidneys possibly already weakened by lupus; others may stimulate the immune system - that last thing we want...

    The problem with lupus us that there are very few lupus specialists; even less so in fields other than rheumatology.

    Acupuncture in itself can be beneficial. It seems to depend from one person to another.

  4. julsie

    julsie Registered

    Hi Sunshine,
    I've had Acupuncture in the past from different therapists.This was prediagnosis.I had it for eczema and generally feeling rubbish.It cleared my eczema and I felt much better in myself.When I moved area I found another practitioner and he was excellent at pain control.I've noticed that different Acupuncturists are good at helping different things.I went to one who actually made me worse!!and he resterilised his own needles :eek: don't ever go to anyone who does that like I did! I tried Chinese medicine too(tried everything when I was bad!) I had to drink these foul liquorice tasting herbs,made me gag! my husband poo pooed the fuss until he tried it...made him gag too:lol: and they actually made me sicker and my skin worse.Now I realise it was probably because they boosted my immune system that was already going awry!but it might help you,never know!
  5. Kyphi

    Kyphi Registered

    Hi I agree with Katharine.
    Be very careful. There are many Medical Drs who practice herbal medicine, perhaps these are the best to see.
    Im a big believer in herbals but they CAN be VERY dangerous so its crucial that any practitioner has medical / pharmacological training - even then they should be used with caution.
  6. Clare.T

    Clare.T Registered

    If I say I haven't tried Chinese medicine because I am not Chinese, I am not being flip. Years ago I noticed a press cutting " Lupus Cured!" on the window of the High Street Chinese medicine shop so I went in to investigate.
    It seemed that that I could get a health check on the spot, no undressing or testing, but by taking my pulse and looking at my tongue. See, I just can't bring myself to believe that is possible.

    She would then prescribe for me. Right .... . I told her I was on antimarariars. She screwed her face up a bit and assured me Chinese very good. Now I am sorry to say that I get very irritated when I can hardly understand what a 'doctor' is saying to me.
    I said would think about it but meanwhile could she suggest anything for my skin. I bought about £20 worth of day and night creams, labelled 'For Ringworm'. She was very unwilling to tell me what was in them, saying I wouldn't understand, but when I persisted she reluctantly gave me a list with the Chinese names in both Chinese and English characters, with the common name and the Latin name. So what was all that fuss about? Secret recipes?

    Both the creams stank to high heaven so the night one was out for starters:hehe: I tried the day cream since I didn't need to go out that day, putting it on one side only, to have a control of sorts. Within a few hours my skin felt very sore and had turned red so I washed it all off. That was the end of that.
    I lost the bit of paper with the constituents after checking out a few, I forget what now. There were about ten which is typical of Chinese medicine, so if you have a bad reaction you don't know what it's due to.

    I know that very often Chinese medicines contain prescription meds - just look up [Chinese medicine warnings]. I think it is criminal that these people can set up shop and practise medicine this way, not just Chinese but any herbalist.
    It's hard to find out how lupus is treated by Chinese rheumatologists but I have read that in fact they use all the medicines that are used in the West as necessary.

    If you want to go that route make sure you have a fully qualified medical doctor, in both traditions who knows about lupus and will work with your rheumatologist and won't try to put you off your conventional medicines. Such an alternative practitioner is very hard to find. Make sure they are a member of whatever TCM control professional register there is in AUS and check that out fully too - you don't want a so called professional society that unqualified people can pay to join. As for checking that they know about lupus, it's rather like checking out any doctor - you have to know something about it yourself or ask people who know.

    As a matter of principle I would not buy products from a health care practitioner of any sort I think it is unprofessional and unethical because it is hard to refuse them for fear of offending. So selling them is an abuse of the relationship.

    Keep an open mind but not so open your brains fall out. :lol: If a plant has medicinal qualities it also will have the potential side effects. Natural does not mean harmless.

  7. Maia

    Maia Registered

    Interestingly enough, there was this link in my news stories section today on Yahoo... and it links one particular chinese herb to one particular type of cancer. As I said in your other post - I prefer to just eat healthfully than pop pills of unproven things. There is a risk of harm as well as hope of improvement and I won't take anything unless there are proven benefits and some study of the possible harms from taking it!

    Here's the link on that study...
  8. Merle

    Merle Registered

    Hi Sunshine

    The link below is to an article published in the Alternative Medicine Review in 2001, which reviews the finding of scientific research into natural medicine and nutritional therapy [authors: David M. Brady, DC, CCN, DACBN, ND (Cand.) - (Chair of clinical sciences department at the University of Bridgeport College of Chiropractic; assistant professor of clinical sciences, University of Bridgeport, College of Naturopathic Medicine) and Tom Patavino, MS, DC (Cand.)]

    This article refers to various Chinese herbal medicines that have been trialed. While some showed benefits, caution is advised in view of potential side effects.

    The only clear recommendation provided is with regard to the consumption of omega 3 oils and antioxidants.

    Hope this helps.


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