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I have a question. I visited a nutritionist and explained I was interested about getting a colon cleanse and then possibly and yeast cleanse since I've had chronic yeast infections. He explained which product was the best to get and stated when I do the yeast cleanse I will need to stay away from white products and sugar, I also explained I had lupus and he stated well you know if you have lupus that you should be staying away from any white products anyways such as potatoes, white bread, sugar, etc., as they have inflammatory properties and cause the lupus to be inflammed, he said he has several lupus patient's come in and if they stay away from these products they do okay but if they don't it causes them to start flaring.

Just wondering if anyone else has ever heard of this as this is the first time I've heard of this and before trying it was wondering anyone's take on it. It will be a very hard diet to go by but if it helps it's defintly worth a try.:)
 

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My reality, living on a gluten free diet, the only safe carbo sources for me are rice, corn and potato. If I did away with white....well, I'd be down to only corn, and then only if it was not white corn?

You do not have to use yeast in your diet.....I lived yeast free for decades as I got skin lesions if I ate it. Now, I can tolerate the gluten free yeast....here it is Red Star brand. Bread can be made using baking powder and/or soda as its leavener. I have another recipe which primarily use stiff beaten egg whites to provide a leavener.

A healthy diet, preferred grown organically, is desired. To rule out everything which contains anything "white", to me is just not reasonable.

To my understanding, the concept is to boost the immune system. That is a red flag, as we are seeking to shut our immune system down, not boot it up. I've never been one to base my decision for care on testimonials. Anyone can claim anything.......but the question is can it be duplicated multiple times? Is it shown to be beneficial based on testing under controlled environments? Once this is addressed and proven, then it may be worth looking into.
Skeptic? Yup, it is deeply ingrained in me.
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setapart,
I am not sure about all of this as have not read anything to really support these findings. Life would be pretty boring if we had to give up all white stuff. Have not noticed a difference personally whether i eat it or not, he is a doctors so I am not saying to not listen to him. I would advise for you to look at things you do eat and keep a journal of this and how it affects you personally. Only than can you really know if this is an answer for you. I wish you the best.
 

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Hi there,

Firstly, my sympathies on a yeast killing diet. I have been on one before and yes, that excluded sugar, all refined starches and alcohol, as well as cheese and things like mushrooms. the most boring diet I have ever been on. Thankfully I discovered I didn't have a yeast infection, but food intolerances. This means that the white stuff is completely off limits for me (just because I am intolerant of most of those food groups), so my diet is meat and vegetables. you get used to it (really helps with controlling weight!!!). As for this having anything to do with lupus, I can't say for certain, but being on methotrexate has definitely reduced my bad reactions when I do eat something on the banned list (you know, that beautifully crisp, thin crusted italian pizza). All I would say is deal with the yeast issue until you are clear, then proceed with refined starches in moderation. A dietitian recently told me that the American Diabetes Association admitted in 2007 that it has completely failed to control the type 2 diabetes epidemic in the states and that the food pyramid should be the other way around, with refined starches as the tiny little top on the triangle. So maybe just watching your portions will keep the yeast at bay.

Best of luck.

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Give up white sugar? OMG as my kids would say. First there are so many things that would be wiped out of the diet, that very few things would be left, ok there would be the whole grains but yuck. There would be no chocolate easter eggs, ice cream cones, birthday cake, or carmel corn. There would be no cup cakes, Willy Wonka, frozen snickers, oreo cookies or hot chocolate. Why that would wipe out sweet peas, candied yams, cherry pies, licorice sticks and bubble gum. That would end cool whip, lucky charm cereal, ice cream sandwiches, yogurt, chocolate covered pretzels, marshmellows and gummi worms. I don't know about you, but I think I would take a flare as opposed to giving up the good stuff. hahaha


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Hello setapart

I don't know about the USA but in the UK my understanding is that anybody can call themselves a nutritionist. Of course there are totally reputable ones who get themselves accredited or something to the professional organisation. For the most part they don't work in hospitals or with sick people like dietitians do.
This type of alternative practitioner often sets themselves up as pundits and health gurus and have TV shows, articles in the press and make megabucks with books, making all sorts of claims about health that simply aren't backed up by any science.


So I'd want to know what this fellow's credentials are. I'd expect him to ask closely about my lupus and what meds I am taking or have taken. I'd expect him to know that colon irrigation isn't recommended for people with lupus, especially if they have been on Prednisone because of thinning of the tissues. Or so I have read.
I would also expect him to mention the risk factor for well people.
I am very dubious abut the 'white stuff' theory which sounds gimmicky and fetishist to me. So brown is OK, as in brown rice or pasta or wholemeal bread, unrefined sugars and chocolate? :lol:

The idea that suffering and self deprivation are "good" for you is deeply engrained in our psyche

On the other hand, no harm in cutting them out!

Take good care
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I am pretty sure that in the USA you must have a 4 year college degree to be able to label yourself a Nutritionist and also have internship work under your belt as part of your schooling.

I think yeast is a common thing with a lot of us and it is, can be, pretty tough to eradicate.

Best of luck and let us know how you get along.:wink2:
 

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My physician told me to go off white things a few years back. I did. And I lost 50 pounds really fast. And I was miserable. And my reflux was horrid the whole time. I lived on mostly vegetables with a lot of fruit and some chicken and several eggs a week. I guess it was healthy in some ways, but my digestion was bad and I was miserable. i never stopped craving sugar. I couldn't sustain the diet and when I went back on prednisone I put the weight right back on.

I have found that if I completely cut out white things that I suffer bad from reflux. And none of it seems to affect whether or not I flare.

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Hi set apart, funny this has come up. I have done exactly that, given up all bread, white potatoes, only salt remains as I have such low blood pressure. I have to say even tho I have been in flare since October I feel a little better physically every day . I have been doing it for about 6 days now. My mood is lifting also as I was very depressed. I'm eating egg whites and home made turkey burgers for breakfast, chicken and salad for snack, a little brown rice, beans, greens and chicken for lunch and dinner, blueberries, grapefruit and a little steak if I need it. I know carbs make me feel worse and wondered about wheat.

I have no reflux problems, no gastric upset and because I am feeding my body six times a day with small amounts of complex carbs and protein my energy is steadier than it has been for a long time. I will add yougurt when I loose a couple of more pounds and tweak it some to ensure I get enough vitamins but so far so good. I'm following the Michael Thurmond six week body makeover. He seems to know his stuff
 
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